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	Your attention please, there seems to be some confusion and concern about the March 1st Deadline of AO-1511-03~~<ref name="AOerrata"> </ref>~~.		Your attention please, there seems to be some confusion and concern about the March 1st Deadline of AO-1511-03.

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 '''Admiralty Order 1511-03''' was issued November 9, 2015 by the {{fla}}. It details the training requirements and deadlines for all members of the Command Triad (Commanding Officer, Executive Officer, and Ship's Bosun) for all Manticoran and Allied Naval vessels prior to upgrading to a larger class of vessel.  This policy went into effect on 1 December 2015.
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 * [https://www.facebook.com/groups/trmnannounce/permalink/953992854682976/ Order as published to the '''TRMN Announcements & Orders''' group on Facebook]
 * [https://www.facebook.com/groups/TRMN.ORG/permalink/1127396003961442/ Clarification as published to '''The Royal Manticoran Navy: The Official Honor Harrington Fan Association''' group on Facebook]

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'''Admiralty Order 1511-03''' was issued November 9, 2015 by the {{fla}}. It details the training requirements and deadlines for all members of the Command Triad (Commanding Officer, Executive Officer, and Ship's Bosun) for all Manticoran and Allied Naval vessels prior to upgrading to a larger class of vessel. This policy went into effect on 1 December 2015.

==Order Text==
{{Order_Header
| addressees = All Officers, Enlisted and Civilians in {{trmn}}
| authority = Martin Lessem, [[KSK]], [[GCE]], [[KCR]], [[DSO]], [[GS]], [[First Lord of the Admiralty]], [[Admiral of the Fleet]], [[Duke]], [[New Scania]]
| subject = Testing Requirements for all Command Triads (Admiralty Order 1511-03)
}}

This Admiralty Order affects all Command Triads ([[Commanding Officer|CO]], [[Executive Officer|XO]], and [[Bosun]]) for all Allied Navies.

As of December 1, 2015, Brevet promotions will no longer be allowed for chapter upgrades ([[Destroyer|DD]] to [[Light Cruiser|CL]], [[Heavy Cruiser|CA]] to [[Battlecruiser|BC]], etc.). All members of the proposed Command Triad for any chapter wishing to upgrade in type (DD, CL, CA, etc.) must have completed all required testing for any higher rank to be bestowed upon the chapter upgrade. For example, if a chapter is upgrading from a Light Cruiser (CL) to a Heavy Cruiser (CA), the CO designate must have completed the necessary testing for their new rank ([[Captain, junior grade]]), the XO designate must have completed necessary testing for [[Commander]], and the Bosun designate musty have completed testing for their rank (Chief Petty Officer).

Additionally, all new chapters wishing to commission after March 1, 2016, must show that their designated Command Triads have completed testing as follows before the ship can be commissioned and the Command Triad breveted in rank:

*Commanding Officer-designate: must have completed SIA-RMN-0102 (or the equivalent for their Naval Academy);
*Executive Officer-designate: must have completed SIA-RMN-0101 (or the equivalent for their Naval Academy);
*Bosun-designate: must have completed SIA-RMN-0002 (or the equivalent for their Naval Academy); and,
*Commissioned Officer-designates (when needed to meet minimum requirements): must have completed SIA-RMN-0002 (or the equivalent for their Naval Academy).

Any person aboard newly commissioned vessels who receives a brevet promotion (Command Triad or members breveted to Commissioned Officer to meet minimum requirements) will have 90 days to complete their testing. Failure to complete the required testing within 90 days will result in reduction in rank to the highest rank opened up by their testing level and loss of their position within the Command Triad until they have completely tested to the rank needed. A new officer will be found to replace them, if no officer can be found the chapter will have 30 days to find and get a replacement officer tested to the appropriate levels or it will be decommissioned.

Upon commissioning of new or upgraded vessels, when additional officers are needed to meet minimum requirements, that officer will be breveted to the rank of Ensign (or possibly Lieutenant, senior grade, if approved by BuShips and depending on the size of the vessel being commissioned)

In Honour of the Queen!

{{Order_Sig
| sig_1 = Martin Lessem, KSK, GCE, KCR, DSO, GS
| sig_2 = Admiral of the Fleet RMN
| sig_3 = First Lord of the Admiralty
| sig_4 = Duke, New Scania
}}

==Clarification from the First Space Lord==
On February 29, 2016, the {{1sl}} issued a clarifying memorandum:

{{Order_Header
| addressees = All Officers and Enlisted in the Royal Manticoran Navy and the Grand Alliance
| authority = Fleet Admiral of the Green Scott A. Akers, First Space Lord,
| subject = Testing for Command Triad personnel, and AO 1511-03<ref name="AOerrata">Initial note referred to AO-1511-13 but this was corrected to refer to this order</ref>
}}

Your attention please, there seems to be some confusion and concern about the March 1st Deadline of AO-1511-03<ref name="AOerrata"> </ref>.

Let me paste the relevant portion here, with emphasis:

Additionally, all NEW CHAPTERS wishing to commission after March 1, 2016, must show that their designated Command Triads have completed testing as follows before the ship can be commissioned and the Command Triad breveted in rank.

Currently commissioned chapters with Command Triads not up to required levels will continue to be treated on a case by case basis. This deadline has NOTHING to do with them.

Once again the March 1st Deadline is for NEW CHAPTERS, much like the December 1st Deadline was for chapters trying to UPGRADE.

Thank you for your time

{{Order_Sig
| sig_1 = Fleet Admiral Scott A Akers,
| sig_2 = First Space Lord
}}

==External Links==
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/trmnannounce/permalink/953992854682976/ Order as published to the '''TRMN Announcements & Orders''' group on Facebook]
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/TRMN.ORG/permalink/1127396003961442/ Clarification as published to '''The Royal Manticoran Navy: The Official Honor Harrington Fan Association''' group on Facebook]

==References==
<references />

[[Category: Admiralty Orders|1511-03]]
[[Category: Policies]]
[[Category: Ranks]]
[[Category: 2015]]

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